Comments on: The Dangers of the Right’s Dominion Theology

Comments on: The Dangers of the Right’s Dominion Theology http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=44 Christian morality in politics & public life - a Christian Democrat's view Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:33:21 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Roselime http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=44&cpage=1#comment-56970 Roselime Mon, 12 Jul 2010 01:28:09 +0000 #comment-56970 The saddest thing about it to me is that the people who know the least about the others inhabiting the earth are the ones who want to dictate their futures. The saddest thing about it to me is that the people who know the least about the others inhabiting the earth are the ones who want to dictate their futures.

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]]> By: anonymous http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=44&cpage=1#comment-21047 anonymous Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:06:37 +0000 #comment-21047 The scriptures does say in the last days man will be rebellious and self-willed; does'nt this sound like todays'society? I am beginnig t o wonder if anyone-anyone who has an interest in bible prophecy-is see ing this happen before their eyes? The scriptures does say in the last days man will be rebellious
and self-willed; does’nt this sound like todays’society? I am beginnig
t
o wonder if anyone-anyone who has an interest in bible prophecy-is see

ing this happen before their eyes?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=44&cpage=1#comment-22 Anonymous Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 #comment-22 <i>The basis of dominion theology is a misconstruction of Genesis 1:26 to apply man's dominion over the creatures of the world to include other humans and their secular governments and institutions.</i> Is it possible that this doctrine is related to the "Dual Creation" doctrine, previously used to justify slavery? The basis of dominion theology is a misconstruction of Genesis 1:26 to apply man’s dominion over the creatures of the world to include other humans and their secular governments and institutions.

Is it possible that this doctrine is related to the “Dual Creation” doctrine, previously used to justify slavery?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=44&cpage=1#comment-68 Anonymous Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 #comment-68 Much of what passes for Christian theology today is in fact revisionism of the worst sort. I merely note premellenial dispensationalsim as one example: Dominionism is of course another. Literal interpretation of the Bible is hardly revisionism and I seriously doubt whether this notion represents heresy; I do however wonder how each particular Christian sect decides which version of the Bible to accept as the literal word of God. For many Fundamentalist sects, the literal word is represented by the King James version; this book is a wonderful poetic expression of the English language but an accurate interepretation of ancient manuscripts it is not. With loose interepretation of ancient Greek and Aramaic texts so readily accepted by so many people is it any wonder that such hideous notions as dominionism gain acceptance? Certain sects, divinity schools and seminaries thrive on these sorts of non-traditional pseudo-Christian beliefs that have as their source hatred and intollerance. Much of what passes for Christian theology today is in fact revisionism of the worst sort. I merely note premellenial dispensationalsim as one example: Dominionism is of course another. Literal interpretation of the Bible is hardly revisionism and I seriously doubt whether this notion represents heresy; I do however wonder how each particular Christian sect decides which version of the Bible to accept as the literal word of God. For many Fundamentalist sects, the literal word is represented by the King James version; this book is a wonderful poetic expression of the English language but an accurate interepretation of ancient manuscripts it is not. With loose interepretation of ancient Greek and Aramaic texts so readily accepted by so many people is it any wonder that such hideous notions as dominionism gain acceptance? Certain sects, divinity schools and seminaries thrive on these sorts of non-traditional pseudo-Christian beliefs that have as their source hatred and intollerance.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=44&cpage=1#comment-149 Anonymous Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 #comment-149 I've never read Schaeffer until today, at <a href="http://www.peopleforlife.org/francis.html">peopleforlife.org</a>. It sounds like he says the same things we're saying here, about unnoticed tyranny coming forward, only his named enemy is humanism (instead of rampant nationalism) and his solution is to go after abortion and education... <sigh> I ask people to find in the teachings of Jesus Christ just one thing: When did He command us to keep the world in line? When did He tell us that we are held accountable for the world's decisions? He told us that things would eventually go sour, and love would become scarce. I see that. He tells me NOTHING about a nation that depends on its people for ruling, and what to do when the self-titled church is outnumbered by the world in a majority-rules situation. I can't find anything that says I have to seize control of God's enemies back from God's enemies. But Schaeffer says we should, and that 'freedom of religion' is being shifted far away from its intended purpose. He tells us that originally, the state is forbidden to interfere with religion, but religions are quite able to influence the state. I also think the 'separation of church and state' has been mutated horribly, however I cannot agree with his ideal. Morals come from religion. Humanist morals, according to Schaeffer, are chosen arbitrarily by the current leadership, which makes for chaos. But humanism is a sort of religion as well, just as evolution can require even more faith than Biblical creationism... When did Jesus license us to seize the government and wield it in a defensive-turned-offensive manner to interfere with any New Age belief? We would violate both the 1st and 9th amendments at once, proving again our hypocrisy. So they're using lies and tyrranical force to limit education to their new ideas? So what? Can't you teach your kids anything? Don't you bring them with you on Sunday so they can attend Sunday school? Humanists can't touch that. What everybody missed was the grand distraction it accomplishes... Get them to fight for their national integrity(?), get them to focus on a few issues and miss the huge problems that are killing everyone -- evolution, abortion, and gay rights instead of war, poverty, self-righteousness, bribery, profiteering, the doomsday club that signed off at the PNAC and went to work for Bush Jr. Ever strain out a gnat and swallow a camel?! They use 'sanctity of life' as their abortion motto and promise to kill anyone and everyone, every last evil regime, all those rogue states who won't let their country become "FREE" like ours! <br>War is Peace.<br>Freedom is Slavery.<br>Ignorance is Strength. I’ve never read Schaeffer until today, at peopleforlife.org. It sounds like he says the same things we’re saying here, about unnoticed tyranny coming forward, only his named enemy is humanism (instead of rampant nationalism) and his solution is to go after abortion and education… I ask people to find in the teachings of Jesus Christ just one thing: When did He command us to keep the world in line? When did He tell us that we are held accountable for the world’s decisions? He told us that things would eventually go sour, and love would become scarce. I see that. He tells me NOTHING about a nation that depends on its people for ruling, and what to do when the self-titled church is outnumbered by the world in a majority-rules situation. I can’t find anything that says I have to seize control of God’s enemies back from God’s enemies. But Schaeffer says we should, and that ‘freedom of religion’ is being shifted far away from its intended purpose. He tells us that originally, the state is forbidden to interfere with religion, but religions are quite able to influence the state. I also think the ’separation of church and state’ has been mutated horribly, however I cannot agree with his ideal. Morals come from religion. Humanist morals, according to Schaeffer, are chosen arbitrarily by the current leadership, which makes for chaos. But humanism is a sort of religion as well, just as evolution can require even more faith than Biblical creationism… When did Jesus license us to seize the government and wield it in a defensive-turned-offensive manner to interfere with any New Age belief? We would violate both the 1st and 9th amendments at once, proving again our hypocrisy. So they’re using lies and tyrranical force to limit education to their new ideas? So what? Can’t you teach your kids anything? Don’t you bring them with you on Sunday so they can attend Sunday school? Humanists can’t touch that. What everybody missed was the grand distraction it accomplishes… Get them to fight for their national integrity(?), get them to focus on a few issues and miss the huge problems that are killing everyone — evolution, abortion, and gay rights instead of war, poverty, self-righteousness, bribery, profiteering, the doomsday club that signed off at the PNAC and went to work for Bush Jr. Ever strain out a gnat and swallow a camel?! They use ’sanctity of life’ as their abortion motto and promise to kill anyone and everyone, every last evil regime, all those rogue states who won’t let their country become “FREE” like ours!
War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=44&cpage=1#comment-171 Anonymous Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 #comment-171 Strain at a camel? Reading Schaeffer, as my rusty 22-year-old memory recalls, was at least as bad as trying to swallow a bicycle. I have to return to him and pillory some of those untruths which fostered what I believe is a "church of narcissism" - a church enamored of its so-called democratic power. Everything that develops our abstraction from true service and the sermon on the Mount is red herring, imho. The temptation in a powerful supposed democracy of a world power is to become intrigued with our putative abstract effect on the world (e.g. voting) to the exclusion of service. I need to work on this. But thank you so much Barb, Rob, and visitor, for this incredibly sharp-witted and godly discussion. Bravo. Strain at a camel? Reading Schaeffer, as my rusty 22-year-old memory recalls, was at least as bad as trying to swallow a bicycle. I have to return to him and pillory some of those untruths which fostered what I believe is a “church of narcissism” – a church enamored of its so-called democratic power. Everything that develops our abstraction from true service and the sermon on the Mount is red herring, imho. The temptation in a powerful supposed democracy of a world power is to become intrigued with our putative abstract effect on the world (e.g. voting) to the exclusion of service. I need to work on this. But thank you so much Barb, Rob, and visitor, for this incredibly sharp-witted and godly discussion. Bravo.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=44&cpage=1#comment-172 Anonymous Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 #comment-172 Schaeffer was very good for me when I first read him. "Escape from Reason", then "The God Who Is There", established my Christian and philosophical independence from the milieu of the 60's - 70's. I still remember that exhilarating feeling in finally finding someone - someone Christian, no less! - talking sense about the reality of the world, the significance of human thinking, etc. (Those two books are probably part of the reason I still get a thrill out of holding for the first time a new paperback that looks serious and substantial!) <p> But now when I look at those two Schaeffer books they seem naive and shallow in places, and downright false and unjust in others (e.g. the brutal mistreatment of Aquinas). But they did encourage me to ask bigger questions. I moved on past (or away from) his work after those two, and never really isolated the dominionist tendencies. Of course, they've been so prevalent for so long that they have easily gone unremarked beyond, "That's not healthy; why do so many think like that?" Schaeffer was very good for me when I first read him. “Escape from Reason”, then “The God Who Is There”, established my Christian and philosophical independence from the milieu of the 60’s – 70’s. I still remember that exhilarating feeling in finally finding someone – someone Christian, no less! – talking sense about the reality of the world, the significance of human thinking, etc. (Those two books are probably part of the reason I still get a thrill out of holding for the first time a new paperback that looks serious and substantial!)

But now when I look at those two Schaeffer books they seem naive and shallow in places, and downright false and unjust in others (e.g. the brutal mistreatment of Aquinas). But they did encourage me to ask bigger questions. I moved on past (or away from) his work after those two, and never really isolated the dominionist tendencies. Of course, they’ve been so prevalent for so long that they have easily gone unremarked beyond, “That’s not healthy; why do so many think like that?”

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=44&cpage=1#comment-240 Anonymous Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 #comment-240 One of the problems with President Bush is that he found religion when he stopped drinking, but he probably never reflected on what led to the addiction in the first place. We may also imagine that he did not pay much attention in Sunday school, or worry himself over the sort of spiritual doubts & questioning that many young people go through from late-adolescence well into their twenties & that drives them to study comparative religion, read poetry & philosophical novels, & talk all night with friends about the "meaning-of-life." I think our president skipped all that. In matters of theology, George Bush is as misled & deceived as any other gullible pew-sitter with a manipulative dominionist in the pulpit. One of the problems with President Bush is that he found religion when he stopped drinking, but he probably never reflected on what led to the addiction in the first place. We may also imagine that he did not pay much attention in Sunday school, or worry himself over the sort of spiritual doubts & questioning that many young people go through from late-adolescence well into their twenties & that drives them to study comparative religion, read poetry & philosophical novels, & talk all night with friends about the “meaning-of-life.” I think our president skipped all that. In matters of theology, George Bush is as misled & deceived as any other gullible pew-sitter with a manipulative dominionist in the pulpit.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=44&cpage=1#comment-274 Anonymous Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 #comment-274 There's a very interesting piece ' The Crusaders: Christian evangelicals are plotting to remake America in their own image', from Rolling Stone' magazine, April 7th, 2005, at <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393?rnd=1113062695995&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.857">this page</a>. <p> It put me in mind of a very interesting article I'd read earlier on Rushdoony, the 'founder' of the Dominionist movement, on the <a href="http://www.survivalistskills.com">SurvivalistSkills.Com</a> site, at <a href="http://www.survivalistskills.com/RUSH.HTM">http://www.survivalistskills.com/RUSH.HTM</a>. <p> But such Christian influence in America is hardly new. Witness the huge array of Christian books for Women on the <a href="http://www.beautyandwomen.com/index.htm">BeautyAndWomen.Com</a> site, at <a href="http://www.beautyandwomen.com/womans.htm">http://www.beautyandwomen.com/womans.htm</a>, and a similar listing of Christian books for men on the <a href="http://www.nwointelligence.com/index.com">'New World Order Intelligence Update'</a> site, at <a href="http://www.nwointelligence.com/MEN.HTM">http://www.nwointelligence.com/MEN.HTM</a>. <p> Then there's that classic battleground, creationism vs evolution. See the <a href="http://www.torontochristianbooks.com/index">Toronto Christian Book Centre</a> web page at <a href="http://www.torontochristianbooks.com/CREATION.HTM">http://www.torontochristianbooks.com/CREATION.HTM</a> for an impressive example of how this age-old debate has flared up again under the heading of 'Intelligent Design'... There’s a very interesting piece ‘ The Crusaders: Christian evangelicals are plotting to remake America in their own image’, from Rolling Stone’ magazine, April 7th, 2005, at this page.

It put me in mind of a very interesting article I’d read earlier on Rushdoony, the ‘founder’ of the Dominionist movement, on the SurvivalistSkills.Com site, at http://www.survivalistskills.com/RUSH.HTM.

But such Christian influence in America is hardly new. Witness the huge array of Christian books for Women on the BeautyAndWomen.Com site, at http://www.beautyandwomen.com/womans.htm, and a similar listing of Christian books for men on the ‘New World Order Intelligence Update’ site, at http://www.nwointelligence.com/MEN.HTM.

Then there’s that classic battleground, creationism vs evolution. See the Toronto Christian Book Centre web page at http://www.torontochristianbooks.com/CREATION.HTM for an impressive example of how this age-old debate has flared up again under the heading of ‘Intelligent Design’…

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