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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Turn the Other Cheek&#8221; means &#8220;Resist Them Non-Violently&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: roscoe</title>
		<link>http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-56718</link>
		<dc:creator>roscoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>governors of countrys in no wise turn the other cheeks just look at all the wars thats been fought and will be fought. hitler germany and japans war on the free world was they were going to divide the spoils america could not turn the other cheek neither could england are russia either it was fight are die to germany and japan. The gangansters of the thritys gave no quarter baby face nelson was a cold bloody killer so was al capone and dillinger and bonnie and clyde barrow killing was nothing to them. the romans lived for war to destroy and kill the only law the barabarians had was kill others and take the spoils. GOVTS never nave never will live jesus teachings wars will continue as long as theres evil people in this world the devil has not been did away with that war is coming between good and evil. so thats the human race fot you. o yes jesus aint coming with tip toe threw the tulips he is coming as a lion with a sword to divide the good and evil  o yes there is a hell that burns with fire and sulphur and brimstone evil people will find that out when they get to hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>governors of countrys in no wise turn the other cheeks just look at all the wars thats been fought and will be fought. hitler germany and japans war on the free world was they were going to divide the spoils america could not turn the other cheek neither could england are russia either it was fight are die to germany and japan. The gangansters of the thritys gave no quarter baby face nelson was a cold bloody killer so was al capone and dillinger and bonnie and clyde barrow killing was nothing to them. the romans lived for war to destroy and kill the only law the barabarians had was kill others and take the spoils. GOVTS never nave never will live jesus teachings wars will continue as long as theres evil people in this world the devil has not been did away with that war is coming between good and evil. so thats the human race fot you. o yes jesus aint coming with tip toe threw the tulips he is coming as a lion with a sword to divide the good and evil  o yes there is a hell that burns with fire and sulphur and brimstone evil people will find that out when they get to hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-56703</link>
		<dc:creator>Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. The point may have been lost, at least from my perspective, in the ensuing discussion.

Too many I believe have taken this passage as an excuse not to do anything. Often they will not confront what is in front of them because they are a Christian (sic). Really an excuse.

Case in point. I live across the street from the high school I attended 40 years ago, when I also lived across the street on the same block. 

Back in the day, acting out consisted of sneaking cigarettes and holding hands while walking down the hall. 

True delinquency was minimal and was treated as a serious issue. When people would complain every one would respond with &quot;they are just kids&quot; (turning the other cheek) and just let it go. 

At the time suspension was serious and expulsion was unheard of. A trip to the vice-principle was serious business.

Today the school has a nursery for students&#039; children, some mothers are 14 and are on their second child. Fathers get to school on skateboards. 

There are clinics in the schools and frequently students leave school to deal drugs, use drugs or fight. On the way home hoards form, fights ensue and one gang member or another is knifed and needs to be hospitalized. 

Most people respond with different language, but it is the same &quot;they are just kids&quot; (turning the other cheek). Now instead of vice-principles we have school resource officers (police) stationed at schools and, as well, perhaps a full complement of security guards.

Turning the other cheek can be appropriate but I think the more we turn the other cheek the further we can move away from what the true meaning and purpose of Christianity is. Being a Christian is not passive it is active. But that requires effort and ongoing belief in Jesus and the Father. We need to actively pursue a relationship with Christ and work on it everyday until the time of our physical dealths.

If that is not practiced, belief as well as faith will fall to the wayside. We end up worshiping what is easy, often the culture imposed upon us by the media. God falls further and further from our minds and memories as we are indoctrinated to an ever increasing narcissistic culture (the realm of the enemy).

Freedom is found in pursuing an active relationship with Jesus in order to develop one with God. There is a price to freedom, as Thomas Jefferson said, and that price is constant vigilance. 

So the next time you think you need to turn the other cheek think about it. It might be time to stand up take a stand and make a commitment. Practicing Christianity is not all about a feel good reward for behaving in the right manner, sometimes it can be outright painful.

In my case I grew tired of the deteriorating school issues. I ran for and was elected to the school board. I am guided primarily in the decisions I make by my relationship with God. I have been challenged in ways I never could have imagined. I think God for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. The point may have been lost, at least from my perspective, in the ensuing discussion.</p>
<p>Too many I believe have taken this passage as an excuse not to do anything. Often they will not confront what is in front of them because they are a Christian (sic). Really an excuse.</p>
<p>Case in point. I live across the street from the high school I attended 40 years ago, when I also lived across the street on the same block. </p>
<p>Back in the day, acting out consisted of sneaking cigarettes and holding hands while walking down the hall. </p>
<p>True delinquency was minimal and was treated as a serious issue. When people would complain every one would respond with &#8220;they are just kids&#8221; (turning the other cheek) and just let it go. </p>
<p>At the time suspension was serious and expulsion was unheard of. A trip to the vice-principle was serious business.</p>
<p>Today the school has a nursery for students&#8217; children, some mothers are 14 and are on their second child. Fathers get to school on skateboards. </p>
<p>There are clinics in the schools and frequently students leave school to deal drugs, use drugs or fight. On the way home hoards form, fights ensue and one gang member or another is knifed and needs to be hospitalized. </p>
<p>Most people respond with different language, but it is the same &#8220;they are just kids&#8221; (turning the other cheek). Now instead of vice-principles we have school resource officers (police) stationed at schools and, as well, perhaps a full complement of security guards.</p>
<p>Turning the other cheek can be appropriate but I think the more we turn the other cheek the further we can move away from what the true meaning and purpose of Christianity is. Being a Christian is not passive it is active. But that requires effort and ongoing belief in Jesus and the Father. We need to actively pursue a relationship with Christ and work on it everyday until the time of our physical dealths.</p>
<p>If that is not practiced, belief as well as faith will fall to the wayside. We end up worshiping what is easy, often the culture imposed upon us by the media. God falls further and further from our minds and memories as we are indoctrinated to an ever increasing narcissistic culture (the realm of the enemy).</p>
<p>Freedom is found in pursuing an active relationship with Jesus in order to develop one with God. There is a price to freedom, as Thomas Jefferson said, and that price is constant vigilance. </p>
<p>So the next time you think you need to turn the other cheek think about it. It might be time to stand up take a stand and make a commitment. Practicing Christianity is not all about a feel good reward for behaving in the right manner, sometimes it can be outright painful.</p>
<p>In my case I grew tired of the deteriorating school issues. I ran for and was elected to the school board. I am guided primarily in the decisions I make by my relationship with God. I have been challenged in ways I never could have imagined. I think God for it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-56666</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s well known that at this time in history, both the Roman and Arabic world were very caste-based societies, where members of the upper classes could do pretty much whatever they wanted to members of the lower classes, largely with impunity. It&#039;s also interesting to note that this caste system was reinforced by teaching civic responsibility and etiquette to children in school.  In fact, there was a widely used and well-known teaching manual for this.  One of the examples in this manual is of an upper-casteman and a lower-casteman meeting in a busy public roadway.  According to the manual, the lower-casteman is required to get out of the upper-casteman&#039;s way, even if it means falling into the gutter and becoming covered with filth and sewage.  If the lower-casteman fails to yield the right-of-way, or doesn&#039;t do so quickly enough, it is both the right and the duty of the upper-casteman to strike the lower-casteman and throw him aside, if need be, as an example to all onlookers of the consequences for failure to fulfill caste responsibility.  This manual is full of similar lessons.

Many, if not most, of Jesus&#039;s followers - both devoted and casual - were likely taught civics and proper social behavior from this manual, or one very similar to it.  When Jesus specifically mentions one man striking another, using the particular phrasing that he does, we can be confident that many, if not most, of the people hearing this teaching were recalling their childhood lessons.  This adds another level of meaning to it.  Given that many of Jesus&#039;s followers were lower-castemen, Jesus&#039;s criticism of this socially-allowed-and-required behavior was probably very popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s well known that at this time in history, both the Roman and Arabic world were very caste-based societies, where members of the upper classes could do pretty much whatever they wanted to members of the lower classes, largely with impunity. It&#8217;s also interesting to note that this caste system was reinforced by teaching civic responsibility and etiquette to children in school.  In fact, there was a widely used and well-known teaching manual for this.  One of the examples in this manual is of an upper-casteman and a lower-casteman meeting in a busy public roadway.  According to the manual, the lower-casteman is required to get out of the upper-casteman&#8217;s way, even if it means falling into the gutter and becoming covered with filth and sewage.  If the lower-casteman fails to yield the right-of-way, or doesn&#8217;t do so quickly enough, it is both the right and the duty of the upper-casteman to strike the lower-casteman and throw him aside, if need be, as an example to all onlookers of the consequences for failure to fulfill caste responsibility.  This manual is full of similar lessons.</p>
<p>Many, if not most, of Jesus&#8217;s followers &#8211; both devoted and casual &#8211; were likely taught civics and proper social behavior from this manual, or one very similar to it.  When Jesus specifically mentions one man striking another, using the particular phrasing that he does, we can be confident that many, if not most, of the people hearing this teaching were recalling their childhood lessons.  This adds another level of meaning to it.  Given that many of Jesus&#8217;s followers were lower-castemen, Jesus&#8217;s criticism of this socially-allowed-and-required behavior was probably very popular.</p>
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		<title>By: jacqueline</title>
		<link>http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-55302</link>
		<dc:creator>jacqueline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jesus told us that the world would hate us!!! so, we are to expect conflict.... paul went on to become a further example of a persecuted christian,when he was attaked and beaten he didnt call on angels from heaven to step in and rescue him ,he didnt have chance to turn the other cheek the mob was so violent he was near to death.but what he did do in one incident was to call upon his roman citizanship... it was unlawfull, him being a roman citizan,even though he was a jew ,for him to be treated in such a way...so our help as a christian can come from the law of the land, we can be non violent... and let the law thats been put there by gods grace so that we may have a good life,be put into action,god is a just god and the law of the land is to bring about justice.. and punish the oppressor.paul called upon his rights , he himself turned the other cheek didnt retaliate,but let the benefit of the roman law protect him.it wasnt spiritualised in any way,his help came from the law of the land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jesus told us that the world would hate us!!! so, we are to expect conflict&#8230;. paul went on to become a further example of a persecuted christian,when he was attaked and beaten he didnt call on angels from heaven to step in and rescue him ,he didnt have chance to turn the other cheek the mob was so violent he was near to death.but what he did do in one incident was to call upon his roman citizanship&#8230; it was unlawfull, him being a roman citizan,even though he was a jew ,for him to be treated in such a way&#8230;so our help as a christian can come from the law of the land, we can be non violent&#8230; and let the law thats been put there by gods grace so that we may have a good life,be put into action,god is a just god and the law of the land is to bring about justice.. and punish the oppressor.paul called upon his rights , he himself turned the other cheek didnt retaliate,but let the benefit of the roman law protect him.it wasnt spiritualised in any way,his help came from the law of the land.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-54742</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a talk of forgiving those who offend you in any way. The whole point of Jesus was to show us love and forgiveness. Jesus wanted us to allways be at peace.  Getting smacked across the face is no different than lets say...........getting hung on the cross. Jesus still cried out forgiveness on the cross. He wants us to allways be at peace. Forgiveness provides that peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a talk of forgiving those who offend you in any way. The whole point of Jesus was to show us love and forgiveness. Jesus wanted us to allways be at peace.  Getting smacked across the face is no different than lets say&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..getting hung on the cross. Jesus still cried out forgiveness on the cross. He wants us to allways be at peace. Forgiveness provides that peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-53218</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheila is exactly right.  God is love.  That&#039;s all we really gotta know.  Sometimes it seems as if we are always looking for new perspectives on something, a new way to view something Jesus said.  Too often sermons are wasted by concentrating on an opinion that isn&#039;t very important.  We get too caught up in this stuff, that we miss the basic truth.  God loves us more than anything else, and He wants us to love Him in return.  This is the greatest commandment:  &quot;Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind....and the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself&quot;(Matthew 22:37-38)  That right there is the essence of life.  Believe me.
I recommend this book I read, it&#039;s called &quot;Crazy Love&quot; by Francis Chan.  His website is &quot;crazylovebook.com&quot; and it puts everything into perspective perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheila is exactly right.  God is love.  That&#8217;s all we really gotta know.  Sometimes it seems as if we are always looking for new perspectives on something, a new way to view something Jesus said.  Too often sermons are wasted by concentrating on an opinion that isn&#8217;t very important.  We get too caught up in this stuff, that we miss the basic truth.  God loves us more than anything else, and He wants us to love Him in return.  This is the greatest commandment:  &#8220;Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind&#8230;.and the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself&#8221;(Matthew 22:37-38)  That right there is the essence of life.  Believe me.<br />
I recommend this book I read, it&#8217;s called &#8220;Crazy Love&#8221; by Francis Chan.  His website is &#8220;crazylovebook.com&#8221; and it puts everything into perspective perfectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila</title>
		<link>http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-52101</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New to all  of this folks - I don&#039;t go to bible classes or anything. Not been to church in 30+ years. Just looking for a nice speech for my Mothers funeral tomorrow. Came across this site by accident, and I don&#039;t get with the hostility. How can anyone be hostile with the words of God? Hey- Im not religous but I am saying this. 

I am not theologian (bad spelling I suspect) yet I understand the point of this post. It is so so simple - God Loves. Duh....

Now you guys- chill out. You need not to know anything more. Heck- I don&#039;t even &quot;do&quot; the bible and I can see the truth in all this...... God loves so just trust in that. Jesus was clever. Cool guy. I get the other &quot;turn the cheek stuff&quot;. If I can get that, why can;t you. Maybe I sould go to church ah???????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New to all  of this folks &#8211; I don&#8217;t go to bible classes or anything. Not been to church in 30+ years. Just looking for a nice speech for my Mothers funeral tomorrow. Came across this site by accident, and I don&#8217;t get with the hostility. How can anyone be hostile with the words of God? Hey- Im not religous but I am saying this. </p>
<p>I am not theologian (bad spelling I suspect) yet I understand the point of this post. It is so so simple &#8211; God Loves. Duh&#8230;.</p>
<p>Now you guys- chill out. You need not to know anything more. Heck- I don&#8217;t even &#8220;do&#8221; the bible and I can see the truth in all this&#8230;&#8230; God loves so just trust in that. Jesus was clever. Cool guy. I get the other &#8220;turn the cheek stuff&#8221;. If I can get that, why can;t you. Maybe I sould go to church ah???????</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not going to obey when I&#039;m asked to endanger children! Would you obey Hitler or the Sanhedrin? Would you have sided with those who were responsible for the death of Jesus.  The governing body during that day was responsible for Christ death, would you have participated in that! For doing the right thing my family and I have been blacklisted. All because of some clown in a high place is domineering, tyrannical, prideful and perceive himself as God. This person feel like they are so important that they can order a non-violent person, who has never placed anyone in danger in their life to, murder, hurt or harm even the innocent.  God have much much mercy on this sick sick world!  Someone has surly dumbmanized people who think like you and that is a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to obey when I&#8217;m asked to endanger children! Would you obey Hitler or the Sanhedrin? Would you have sided with those who were responsible for the death of Jesus.  The governing body during that day was responsible for Christ death, would you have participated in that! For doing the right thing my family and I have been blacklisted. All because of some clown in a high place is domineering, tyrannical, prideful and perceive himself as God. This person feel like they are so important that they can order a non-violent person, who has never placed anyone in danger in their life to, murder, hurt or harm even the innocent.  God have much much mercy on this sick sick world!  Someone has surly dumbmanized people who think like you and that is a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://www.publicchristian.com/?p=39&#038;cpage=1#comment-51474</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 03:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice! You write devotionals? I write them for teens at my site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice! You write devotionals? I write them for teens at my site!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of the anonymous older comments had names attached until I changed software and lost the connection of names to comments.  That was sad.

People are free to comment anonymously or with their real names.  I reserve the right to edit comments (and will indicate it when I do so) or to not publish trashy comments.</description>
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<p>People are free to comment anonymously or with their real names.  I reserve the right to edit comments (and will indicate it when I do so) or to not publish trashy comments.</p>
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